🔴 Future IQ 100th Episode Special LIVE STREAM - AMA with Navin & Shrikant

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Friends of FutureIQ, we are thrilled to reach the 100th episode mark with this podcast and we want to celebrate this milestone with you. Join us for a live stream where Navin & Shrikant would answer all your questions and give you a glimpse of what goes behind the scenes at Future IQ!

Hope you enjoyed FutureIQ by Navin Kabra and Shrikant Joshi. Do hit us up on Twitter:

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Listen it on the podcast provider of your choice: https://tapthe.link/FutureIQRSS
Watch other episodes of The FutureIQ podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAppTB0r5_TaYueZ0adD42Wiw5X-wTE4v

Sources Of Books Blogs:
The Secret of Our Success by Joseph Henrich: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/06/04/book-review-the-secret-of-our-success/
Progress and Poverty by Henry George (on Georgism): https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/your-book-review-progress-and-poverty
Seeing Like a State by James Scott: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/03/16/book-review-seeing-like-a-state/
Against the Grain by James Scott: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/10/14/book-review-against-the-grain/
Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond: https://jamesclear.com/book-summaries/guns-germs-and-steel
Finite and Infinite Games by James Carse: https://jamescarse.com/books/finite-and-infinite-games/

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hello everybody Welcome to Future IQ special live episode I am naven this is shrikant and today we have with us anur who is the Channel producer we started this channel in March last year since then we have done 100 episodes this is going to be the 100th episode and we thought we should celebrate and what better way to celebrate than with you so today we are going to talk about future IQ why happened how it happened behind the scenes and mainly we will be answering questions from you uh anur is monitoring the comment comments live and he will be asking questions from there so take it away anur awesome uh so um while we have been live as future IQ for
18 months behind the scenes it's been much much more effort by both of you and um honestly this is my first YouTube live we have seen just so many YouTube channels grow but uh future IQ is just so special to us at uh video school that uh it has to be celebrated and I'll give you a fun fact naen of all the channels that I track uh which is over 70 channels on YouTube the amount of repeat subscribers and YouTube premium subscribers watching future IQ is the highest oh and that means we have a lot of subscriber love coming towards both of you and that's all the more reason that's all the more reason to do this
live and honestly do it as a AMA basically people are just so curious in general if you're on future IQ you are curious and people are just very curious to know more about the two of you yeah I want to clarify quickly that this is Ana ask us almost anything jawab okay we'll see if you can answer them special shout shout out to Saga who's already asked like 12 questions and all of them excellent questions yeah amazing we'll pick up some of those as well yeah okay so uh here is one principle on YouTube that I like to follow that um let's let's get straight to the meat let's let's let's give people uh the paneer straightaway
if you don't want to do meat so why don't both of you begin by um picking up any one concept or psychology know psychology concept or topic which you may have covered on future IQ before and just talk about why you like it if you have to choose one of it right so for me there is no question it is kadikar all Indians know that okay we have heard it since we were babies but it never seemed so special right it just seemed like one of those platitudes that older people say and you just forget about it but later on I realized that most advice from most leaders Business Leaders uh famous book authors and so on right most advice
boils down to kadikar and I also realize that instead of just saying that sentence if you give specific examples right Jeff Bezos said this and see what it means is kadikar James Clear said this and what it means is kadikar Right Sund which I said this and what it means is kadikar when you see all those examples it hits home right and now I do regularly get people telling me you know something something something but oh this is where I'm supposed to use kadikar isn't it and that I really like that yeah and in fact this channel is an example of Kadar because we started the Channel with the intent of doing it like we weren't
focused on what results the channel would bring in or what what we wanted to achieve with it we just thought this channel is a good idea to do so we'll do it my example is a slightly different one because my example changes with whatever recent video I have watched recent episode I have watched and this time it happens to be the Balo versus bagira explore exploit exploit concept and I realized that I use it in very interesting ways in my daily life because when I want to watch something on a streaming app yeah I actually end up exploring if I have the time or going to a favorite Channel or a favorite series if I don't have the time so I'm
exploring or exploiting so yeah wow so Balu bagira explore exploit is also one of my favorites there's are so many it's hard to choose uh I'm sure during the course of the stream I may come up with one or two more a lot of them I keep quoting a lot of times but at this point I'm actually quoting something else which is not from future IQ it is who not how so my planning coach ashitosh raati talked about this book it could have easily been a blog post as well but if you have to solve anything in business or life don't try and solve it yourself figure who not how the concept just pretty much explains itself and
maybe we should do an episode on it sometime no but I do want to jump in here and point out a very important example of who not how right the way future IQ started was you know for 10 years I've been collecting material saying this is good stuff people should know this I should write a blog then 5 years after that I realized no nobody reads blogs anymore right all of you people are you are YouTube people so I need to start a YouTube channel and for five years I was just thinking of the idea and never got around to doing anything because it is just a lot of work right needs too much discipline too
much consistency which I don't have but then the day Shri and I were talking and we H upon the idea of you know let's do a channel together and I said yes you know you know I need one person like Shri and then both of us need video school and when these three things came together the channel happened and it has been going consistently yes for the last year and a half yeah and anur has a huge share of the success of the channel because I don't think without anur we would have been able to make this happen as as efficiently well the entire team there's a whole bunch of people sitting here backstage amazing a lot of people have
worked on this in fact one of the things people are asking a lot on chat and I think we should jump straight to that how did the two of you meet that's what the people asking so tan and Vish have asked that I would also like to add myself to the list how how did the three of us meet it is it is very simple the answer is Twitter okay uh old Twitter Twitter so uh you know we are all early adopters of Twitter we all loved the concept and in the days this is like I'm talking maybe 2007 2008 uh time frame when there were probably just 100 or 200 people on Twitter we used to have tweetups and all
of us were regulars on Twitter and that's how we know each other uh and of course in those days blogs were also a thing and we used to have blog meetups where all kinds of different bloggers would come and talk about what they have learned what they do and uh things like that so even today on on my phone in the address book these two guys are anur blog and shrikant blog so fair enough um great so um why do you guys still and okay so you mentioned shrikant that uh this was started with an idea that this content needs to be out there yeah but what is it that motivates you to show up every 2 weeks
in the studio shoot for it to keep it going it is lot more effort than the future you substract that that you run yeah running a YouTube channel yes right uh because I know the amount of prep that goes into each of this and the amount of work we do over here to shoot and all the work as in both of you are busy people how do you make time to do this or why do you do this what's your motivation um I would ask guruji to go first uh guruji what is your motivation for future IQ I basically have two answers to that right first answer is kadikar I know this is the right thing
to do I know that in the long term these Concepts that we are explaining will be helpful for people yeah but you know what even if you don't have any right to the fruit when the fruit does show up it feels nice so every once in a while uh when I get a comment uh from some uh viewer who said oh you know what I heard this concept and then I applied it and you know something good happens they change how they live life they change some major decision uh based on this and uh it's feels really nice right yeah uh in my case this is basically my career I have been in media for the last
15 plus years now I used to work in radio um and then I stepped out of radio and started producing independent audio and I was always uh I was always inclined to create stuff that is useful to the people and when nav and I we were speaking about making this we initially originally thought of it as an audio podcast but then when I saw naen explain some of the concepts that he wanted to talk about on this podcast I realized that this this can't be audio we have to show naven explaining this and we said naven we are going to meet anur we are going to make this into a video channel and we are going to make sure that you
are seen by people explaining it because he has this passion for topics that is unrivaled like I haven't seen a polyglot a poly like naen elsewhere but that also means that I haven't seen too many people but he is one of the best polys and polymaths out there so that's that basically keeps me going learning from naven every single episode every single week yeah Tuesdays at 5:00 p.m. when we prep is the best time of the week for me honestly for the team which uh produces uh future IQ um if there's opposite of punishment posting if a reward can be given to someone is okay you're going to sit through the future I could shoot
this week and the person people say yes I to s to the shoot but they're lovely people every single person in this studio in this office that we work with every single one of them is absolutely lovely and we love working with every single one of them one of the rewards of doing future IQ and again as video school we don't do this for money again we is that you know nav and Shri Kant will be in office two or three times a month that that is the reward for us honestly on that note uh JoJo son is asking us a question on how do you choose chose the topics on which uh you want to speak has how does a topic
selection work so for me yeah uh topic is you know if I can remember the first time I learned that yeah and what kind of a feeling I had right there is usually it's like I learn my go oh my God this is amazing yeah right then that becomes a topic that can and should be on future IQ assuming uh we can explain it easily with good examples right it can't be too abstract it can't be take too long to explain uh but yeah I mean it is ultimately things that are you know that they explain how the world Works they explain the underlying system uh behind something that you have seen all your life but you
never really understood why it is like this things that once you hear them you go oh that in fact that is the uh that is the emotion I look for that is the uh reaction I look for every time we discuss a topic if a topic makes us go huh or oh then it's a good topic to do an episode on future IQ and most of our topics and most of our episodes are designed with that thing in mind that it has to make you go huh is that so is that what it is any single episode you take of future IQ we attempt to make sure that you leave the episode thinking huh I never really thought of that and
that essentially is it awesome it is unwrapping one layer of the onion that this world is yeah the idea is if you unwrap one layer you'll be prompted to unwrap the other layers yourself so we just show you that one single layer and then like go on open it a little further and see what's inside it's like a gift and and the variety of topics that we are dealing with over here it can be something really you know taking something ancient and decoding it it could be core science it could be psychology it could be something from everyday life how does the prep for this work what's the research that goes into it where does this come from so where it
comes from is fairly easy right uh I have been on uh places like Twitter uh newsletters of various sorts that I have signed up for from like really smart uh people uh and occasionally books right uh anytime in fact for 10 years anytime I run across a concept which made me go ah yeah right I note it down right in the early days I was noting it down assuming that there is going to be a Blog where I will write these things uh but uh you know that set of notes is the raw material right what happens is that over the years sometimes I will come across the topic first time in say 2013 and then two years later I will get one
interesting example of that one more and then another two years later I get another interesting example and when like there are four or five examples attached to a topic then I say oh yes now I have enough material for this to become an episode right yeah that's the first step then once I've decided this has to become an episode then that week I prep it right so then I do more like proper research like looking into what else is there what examples are out there have people interesting people talked about it what does chat GPT have to say in terms of examples which most of them I reject because it is hallucinating them but every once in a
while it gives something excellent also you know I mean when I originally thought of it I would say like you know I'll take an entire week to prepare for it but like Shri said we have a Tuesday 5:00 p.m. prep session and the draft needs to be ready before that yeah so most of the work really happens on Tuesday afternoon in you know basically deadline induced Panic so that then at 5:00 shrikant and I discuss that topic so you talk about this part right all right uh so 5:00 Tuesday is usually where I come in and naen has a pretty good grasp of Storytelling and he tells stories brilliantly so I don't have to do much what he's done is he's collected
different examples he's collected different ideas on the topic around if you're discussing a principle then principles and counter principles and examples for each we basically Red Team every topic on that Tuesday prep call of what is the antithesis of this principle why would people have objections if any then we discuss those and then we put them all in a flow because the intent is to make sure that every single bit of the topic should make you go huh I never really thought of this and that's basically how the episode gets constructed in the flow and yeah we do a lot of work in terms of the storytelling structure of the episode because uh it's not just the
topics that matter but the way that you deliver those topics the way that you convey that concept that principle that matters and with future IQ I don't look at the retention graph of the video as much as I look at the comments because the comments is where people are expressing how much they love this uh Channel how much they love the content how it's impacting them and um a lot of lot of people actually come and comment that why is this channel so small and all of those things happen and we never optimized future IQ for numbers in the sense we will not make something clickbaity we will not pick up a topic just to get traffic and all of those we
can probably get into that that also means that now the responsibility is on you yeah to get more viewers for this channel 50 people are watching this live stream I hope all of them have hit the like button that's the least you could do and please send a link to your friends people who think who you think will benefit from send the link to your as of the your favorite episode to your friends I think this is the first time in 100 episodes that we've actually asked people to like comment and subscribe to the channel we usually don't do that dur it happens naturally but yeah I think naen was recognized in a mall recently right someone said hey
you are the future IQ guy that's the reward honestly right yeah no so U we haven't completed right this was just the prep then on Alternate Thursdays we actually show up in video schools uh studio and we usually shoot two episodes and a bunch of shorts in a span of about 2 to three hours uh thankfully the video school team takes care of everything else right the studio there are people who look at the lighting the camera the audio editing and afterwards then the editing happens actually yeah unle why don't you tell us what is the post production process yeah so we are a small team we're here in Pune we are a really small team and uh
we are not really video production people uh we are content people so for us the audio and audio has two parts to it one is what are we speaking and second how clear is it right both are more important than the video of it so it just happens that we make our videos in 4k but it's by far not a you know none of the people over here right now behind the camera are video professionals got it they are interesting people they are content people and we happen to be using video as a medium so a we are not a video production company so the team is fairly small for a given channel uh there would
be so for future IQ there will be one content Ops as we call it so someone who will help with the shoot someone who will take the video send it for processing to a video editor that's the second person on the team and then between the video editor and the content Ops everything else is done the video is edited the first draft is reviewed spell check is done we hate it when you have to do the spell check for us but the spell checks are done uh how do we make this interesting are there any boring bits which have to be cut which is which rarely happens honestly and then uh a thumbnail is created it's packaged and
it's you know the content Ops puts it uh up there and of course uh given that it's future IQ and we love it so much uh we do end up with a lot of cooks a lot of chefs in the kitchen for this one so everyone come comes and gives their opinion two different people would make a thumbnail for it there's external thumbnail designer for it uh we will often pester you on WhatsApp to look at the titles and communication and say hey does this communicate your idea right and yeah it's it's pretty much that if you look at some of the earlier videos it was done in our older office where the studio was even more basic now we
have a little more fancier mics and lights and stuff but it's it's not by any means um big video production effort it's more of a Content effort but still there is one thing that um I had not known before and I think a lot of viewers also don't know they just think that you know what I mean the primary thing is the you know you come up with the content the script you sit in front of the video and you talk but the amount of work that goes in post production right like uh you know every scen 20 hours of post production work 20 hours of production work for one 15 20 minute video right and this involves things
like the uh you know the graphics that come up uh every once in a while there'll be like a bubble with some text inside it there will be uh uh you know little cut short of something that we were talking about they're called Bolles uh uh screenshots of something or the other and most importantly you will not believe how insanely important the thumbnail is right uh thumbnail and the colors in the thumbnail and what color the text should be and uh so so on uh I am so glad that these guys are doing that instead of uh glad that these guys behind the camera are doing it so yeah there you go thank you thank you but it's it's a lot of
work right you know at the end of the day it's like we have put in a few hours and then there is like 20 hours of work that goes yeah genuinely when I think about it uh we put about an hour of prep and 3 hours of shooting which is one half hour per video technically and then there is 20 hours of postproduction work and of course there is 15 years of research work behind it but let's show maybe we can look at a quick BTS uh re that we have for this let's take a look at behind the scenes [Music] so pun has an interesting uh question in comments um following naen sir since his
Pune Tech days so what have been some of your what are some of your life-changing events this is what pun that's a getting on Twitter being one yes no so you know it goes back uh right uh in my fourth standard yeah uh there was some teacher who gave me a prize after my results and that was shakuntala dei's book on maths right oh then like a year later uh my mom said oh we are moving somewhere else because the nakes they have very interesting books at home so when we moved I went first thing I was went to the's home and there there were books by yelman from me Publishers right so we bought those books right physics for fun
uh mathematics can be fun physics for fun and entertainment algebra can be fun and you know instead of studying I would just read those books and I think the very high chance that I did well in the J because of these books and you know I didn't do any other studies except that and AG classes third one was of course the J and so I ended up in IIT and then you know then after that it was just pretty much a standardized track so from there I went to the US from there I did a PhD after a couple of years I chose to move back right so that was a turning oh sorry there was one turning point before
after the J I told myself that I am not going to like to full focus on the career after this right there is going to be work life balance and I chose to sort of chill a little bit and be more around it right so as a result to our benefit I would say but absolutely I was just about to say that to our massive benefit to our benefit so intentionally my career hasn't gone to places where a lot of people thought it should uh but I'm fine uh with that then the other turning point was around 2006 time frame I was working for this large company and I just got really bored of working for a
large company and the company bureaucracy so I decided to quit and goof off and just try interesting things right I was lucky that financially I was doing well enough that I didn't have to worry about income at that time yeah so that's when I started pun Tech we might talk about that one of the episodes I have talked about that I started pun Tech then a little later I started my uh startup and then the next Turning Point can probably be uh joining Twitter but a big turning point for me was joining Kora okay and I'll tell you why so Kora for those who don't know is this website where anybody can ask questions and
anybody can answer them and there is voting of both questions as well as answers so interesting questions float to the top and interesting answers flow to the top now I joined it because it was new and interesting and then every once in a while I would see a question uh I mean it was an obvious question right but if someone is asking it they don't know the answer so I would just type in the obvious answer and then log in the next day and see that there are thousand upwards right that's when I realize that there are a lot of things that seem obvious to me but they're not obvious to other people and the simple
reason is that they were not obvious to me 10 years ago when I first learned about them but I have now forgotten yeah right right so since then I have been cultivating this that try to always remember how you felt the first time you encountered a concept that is one thing uh and ultimately that is what has led to me being here in future IQ and second is also I realized that I am better at answering questions than I am at just generally explaining right so that's why Shri Kant needs to be here to ask the right questions well yeah I have a very curious mind so that kind of helps out but it's a difficult skill because
things which I know yeah I it's so much a part of me and my behavior today yeah that it's very hard for me to think that someone it may not be obvious to someone else yes that is called the experts curse and it is a problem for many people uh for me one is that since the Kora days I have been consciously learning this but still there is a problem and that is where Shri Kant comes in Shri Kant intentionally plays like a person who doesn't know these things so there are episodes in which he knows all the answers but still he's like you know I have got to ask this question at this point yeah because um
the assumption is that not everybody out there knows the answers to these questions and even though I know it the intent or the uh the purpose of this channel is to get people to that aha moment to that ah moment and I kind of portray a personality who doesn't know uh stuff that nine is talking about in most of the cases I don't know the stuff that n is talking about so it comes out naturally in some cases it feels for it feels slightly forced I apologize for that but hopefully through that behavior of mine through that personality of mine somebody is learning a new thing on that particular episode also there is a big
problem which is that if I am just speaking I tend to get PL professorial and people start nodding off to sleep I get a lot of grief at home because of that and so again having Shri Kant here really helps with breaking that and making this actually an interesting thing so yeah he's being slightly modest here he's actually a wonderful Storyteller sometimes I get completely Swept Away by his stories and I forget to interrupt him and then somebody from the other side of the camera says I think you should interrupt him at some point so that you know we go on to the next point of the episode the next topic of the episode but yeah it's it's all
it's all fun when we are doing these episodes I love sitting here with him and learning about new things every single week since since we are doing naen Appreciation clation Society n okay we have our Nas now so uh I I got introduced to physical board games and not the lud and uh sa CD types but uh prop of Katan started with Ticket to Ride actually at your place because you said Ticket to Ride so started with Ticket to Ride maybe in 2009 and since then a lot of people because I've carried the board game which I purchased to so many cities and now even I have my own collection and so many people have now picked up that
habit it may very well happen that someday you run into someone in the startup Circle and common friends who would say do you play board games and whenin that person would have learned how to play board games from me who learned it 15 years back you it could pretty muchen those board games are awesome do not if you ever find yourself playing Monopoly please contact us and we will tell you what are better games to play an episode on board games on my list uh as an so I have a rule I don't play any of those games digitally yes I want the physical board that banter over that board with people around that really
helps so that's one of the things I've picked up from naen another thing I wish I saw maybe last year at Na's house that naen has has a lot of weights and he has a proper gym built in his balcony now and uh so all the talk we do about losing muscle mass after the age of 35 and working out and all that I think this should be explained like most people don't know that from the age of 35 onwards you are not gaining any new muscle not just that but you are losing muscle yeah every year right initially when you're in the 30s and 40s it is some percent per decade but then in your 60s it
becomes some perc per year okay and if you think about the problems of old age right I can't walk I keep falling I can't balance uh all of those are because you're you lost muscle mass and as a result you also lost lost bone mass right okay if you do weights yeah right I I don't do weight I mean there is no chance I'm ever going to be like buffed right uh I don't do weights for that just do weights to not lose uh at least slow down the losing of the muscles right because it's like budgets in companies right if you don't use up your budget for this year next year you're going to get less money yeah so you have
to try to spend as much as possible the same thing with muscles you pick up enough weights and your body gets the signal oh muscle is not enough we need to do something about it right any gyms who want to SP sponsor us we are open for business but uh like these are the kind of moments that I live for very honestly um I I had I had some idea about this but hearing this from him gives me motivation to make a New Year's resolution about joining a gym and sort of start at least some bit of weight training and weight exercises yes all of you do you lift bro yeah imagine na on a
thumbnail with dumb I don't think we have to imagine that like I think we can actually shoot him when he's exercising yeah we can do that and given that his uh weights and equipments are pretty much uh on display to anyone who visits his living room uh I've been able to do the same uh at my house now that it's acceptable to have weights out there in display and we don't have to keep it in a Cupboard every time after using it because I will really never take it out to work out after that so I have uh at least this year been pretty consistent another important concept there right if you want a good habit especially one that
you don't feel likeing one of the most important things is make it easy make it very easy right make it easy and also make it part of your identity like oh now people know that there are weights in navin's house and now if there are weights in Na's house and nain doesn't do weights then it's like you know people are going to laugh so then I'm forced to do it so how do how do you know that anur can do 200 squats in 15 minutes he will find the first opportunity to tell you or demonstrate yes yeah okay nice one on that note also don't don't have desserts and other things at home make it difficult for you to have those but
uh let's get to a question I I have this dilemma a lot of times how do I introduce future IQ to someone so if so for I use the word curious a lot I don't use podcast as much but uh how about you someone who hasn't heard of future I I don't see that is something I struggle with actually right because in my mind uh future uh there is it is very clear what ideas are appropriate for future IQ right but I can't articulate it like like a US Supreme Court Judge had said about uhy pornography like I know it when I see it so that's what future IQ is for me but to some extent I would say
it is like you know the first principles of the world right uh trying to things that you should have been taught but you were not taught yeah right Concepts mental models yeah extending on that I like to think of future IQ as uh things that we should have learned in school but they weren't deemed necessary within the school curriculum and to extend on that a little bit further I like to uh tell people that future IQ is sort of like the basics of adulting like we were never taught how to be adults none of us nobody in the world is ever taught how to be an adult you just pick things up along the way from multiple people we
are just hoping that we are the multiple people regularly in life great on that note if you're watching this Live on YouTube there is a comment stream going on uh you can ask your questions on comments I'm keeping an eye on that and I can bring those questions in as well that uh brings me to uh nin someone asked this uh in comments actually um SJ that um shrikant you seem to have changed a lot personally over the last year and a half of future I it's not year and a half it's year and a half that we are live we started shooting exactly two years ago I think November yeah exactly two years back the shoot started so it's taken uh
100 episodes and 18 months of being live to reach 42,000 subscribers I'm hoping we'll by the time we do the 200th episode we'll be at 200,000 or 300,000 so that's what I'm hoping for but again we'll do the you know we will put in the efforts we'll just put in the efforts we will lift we'll not not do anything just keep lifting but uh how has it helped you or how has it changed you personally doing I mean it told him that he needs to cut his hair sorry no uh it is actually true because uh there was an episode we did on the beauty premium which basically said that people who look attractive uh typically
tend to get better chances better results better work better salary better money better everything in life and I realized that this is the only way I could look slightly better as in less ugly better okay so first of of all I didn't know this today first time I'm finding out about this but you know we really need to ask the audience which one looked better with herir or without yeah po poll on Shri with hair or without hair maybe we should aroshi put it on the community also before after which one do you prefer so now I don't we'll get you get you a wig or ask you to grow hairs back if people vote for
the other style I mean I I I okay I have to figure that out but honestly um the hair thing apart what future likeu has given me is a lot of mental to work with in daily life and it has given me a sort of a way to uh explore certain things a way to understand certain certain things from a very different perspective I am now able to apply a lot of the things that naen says in my own life to figure out uh the direction I should be heading in in any situation that I am in I know I'm being a little wague about this because I actually use future IQ and the concepts that na talks about the
concepts that we discuss yeah in literally every single thing I do I used to do it as well but now I know why I'm doing it and now I know what I am doing and where I should be going if if that kind of makesense much more important is the fact that once you know the name of a concept yeah it becomes much easier to apply it absolutely right you start applying it much more if it is the name is known to you so it your brain recalls it much faster exactly exactly so now I'm able to recall the abini Paradox and I'm able to use the abini Paradox every time there is an explore versus exploit
concept that is coming up in a real life situation showing off yes yo and given that you talked about looks and appearance and public uh perception how do you deal with uh let's say some flowery comments or hate comments or negative comments or negative feedback that comes on the videos and we get a lot of comments na so see I am uh I mean thank uh I'm very glad that I'm the kind of person who can sort of detach a little bit and I chill right so by the way there are two kinds of negative is comments right one is people giving constructive negative feedback and that I really like I try to engage with that
uh I try to either you know explain my point of view better or understand that point of view better and every once in a while what has happened is that I have realized that we made a mistake uh and try to correct that and then there's a whole bunch of people being angry just for the sake of being angry right uh and that I am glad that I can just ignore those okay yeah yeah I I am not as good as him in dealing with negative comments they kind of get under my skin I deal with them very uh badly I am in a bad mood for about 2 to 3 days and then Tuesday comes around 5:00 p.m. comes
around I sit with naen and that sort of Falls by the ways side um I I like the negative comments that are giving me specific things like constructive criticism as you said that things that tell me specifically what to change I will absolutely absolutely make that happen but then there are things that basically uh berate me or deride me for playing the fool which is basically a character that I'm playing for uh the audience and that sort of tends to get under my skin but then I recently read this beautiful line by a blogger called Anil Dash and he said visibility is dehumanizing anybody who's in the public eye typically tends to be seen as an
object to be commented on to be held an opinion about and without consent of that person uh you hold that opinion about that person which is why it is dehumanizing because I get no agency in the matter and I have been trying to sort of inculcate that sort of mentality within me uh that okay I am visible I am in the public eye so I will be sort of dehumanized to some extent and I need to sort of introspect and uh get get okay with it to speak although I don't want to get okay with it because it gives the people a free reign to say whatever they want which shouldn't be the case sometimes I I don't know I mean it's a
long conversation for another day well I'm I'm a bit like naen as in just ignoring a lot of nasty comments but every now and then I do remember something nasty someone said on the internet on on my channel Channel and yeah it does hurt a little at times it's easier probably to write that comment than take it but I think it's a professional Hazard for folks like us so we have to develop a thick skin there uh which also brings me to another related topic that there are a lot of sensitive topics that we touch in future IQ we talk about health we talk about history we talk about so many other things um how do you balance the fine line of um
being right and and being too provocative if something is not a conventional belief so what's the approach to uh going after topics which uh which can generate what do you say strong emotions from viewers and again as we said we are not in the business of picking up a topic just to make it uh you know create engagement yeah we don't do that so there is there is there's a what's your approach toward towards this no so first of all I mean we don't do topics just because they're going to be controversial or just because they're going to engage people we only do topics if you are going to learn something interesting uh from that topic right now
most of our topics are not controversial but every once in a while there is a topic that is controversial and there shant helps a lot because he has a long career in a public facing uh role so shant has a good nose for what things are going to be be uh sensitive and how should we sort of handle it how should we phrase it so that to minimize the uh the misunderstandings right yeah so typically this is where I come in and Red Team the thing uh where we uh where I uh take the Persona of an entirely opposite person to what naen is saying and bring up all the objections that that person would have and if within our
conversation we find some of the objections are valid then we sort of put the topic on the back burner until we figure out a valid way to address these objections because let's face it uh there are some topics that are both sides kind of and we tend to make sure that we present both sides as uh as scientifically as possible I'll give you an example we recently did an episode on the work life balance where there were strong arguments on both sides of the 70 hours debate where people uh were saying yes 70 work week is important and there are other people saying no work life balance is important and we I think created an episode that addressed both
sides of the topic but also left people with a clear indication of which they should choose for themselves so it's not like we left it at you choose whatever you want we gave we gave people brilliant episod yeah we gave people a very clear idea of which of those two would work for you specifically and as for other topics that are controversial as long as it is backed by scientific research we will talk about it uh with the research with the data and with very critical topics we will make sure that we stick to the research we stick to the data and that also means that if there is research that comes in countering what we've said we will bring that new
research up and say okay we've believed this so far but now this new research has come to life so we are changing our stand on it this is not flip-flopping this is basically learning something new Based on data dat that comes in I think milgram's experiment is something which I think uh at least I've read about it and you mentioned that there is data to say that it is no longer it is considered true yeah yeah yeah it does sound true mgr's experiment had a whole lot of other issues with it and then there's also the replicability crisis Etc so again fair enough so B in our comment is saying that you guys have such amazing
Channel why don't you put in more effort to promote it and I will take that question uh our promotion is word of mouth I would hope that all of you like this video share future IQ with your friends and people who would uh enjoy this content B benefit from that content honestly no amount of money spent on promotion can buy that buy Goodwill with you and I hope you would do that uh chandana is saying can't imagine future IQ without you shant so uh thank you there as well thank you so much okay um yeah you're saying something something uh no just wanted to complete a thought related to uh sensitive topics right topics because this is important enough
I've noted down a couple of things I want to say right sure sure uh one is that you know if it is sensitive we do careful research and every once in a while what happens is that we found find out that the original thing that we thought is true and the original research we saw there is enough countering research and then we will uh drop the topic right everyone even if we are not uh dropping the topic right what we do is uh like SRI said we red team the topic in the sense that or the other word to use here is steel Manet okay which means that you suppose I am going to say x yeah on the channel right find
out the best arguments yeah opposing X yeah right yeah what is the best reason because clearly if it's controversial it means that there's a large number of people believing the opposite why where are they coming from right so to give one example uh somewhere on a couple of times probably I have explained why I totally don't believe in Homeopathy right yeah but why so many people believe in Homeopathy and why in certain situations if you're carefully circumscribing it why Homeopathy can actually be good right so that's a Steel Man of homeopathy and third is that for sensitive topics try not to State personal opinions just State what the research uh says except where the research is so strong that
it's no longer a matter of opinion like Homeopathy right if it works it can't be Homeopathy and if it is Homeopathy it can't work so okay okay strong opinions there and fair and hey um you are a man of science and uh I I would allow you to have uh those opinions and fair enough you're probably going to get cancelled over this aren't we but that's okay yeah so these are sensitive topics can't help it so that's where we are so if if you just go to a more lighter topic uh do you prefer making long form videos or shorts because some of these opinions if cut out in a 15sec clip are going to blow up but we make 15 minute
videos or 30 minute videos and this one will probably be 60 minutes yeah yeah uh okay this is a this is a huge debate I've had with myself for a long long time I love making long form content for a lot of reasons the primary of which is that you get to explain the nuances of a topic in a long form but I also understand that attention spans are uh decreasing and U uh short form is the way forward uh short form is what people are consuming more and more by the day my only worry is that short form doesn't allow you to understand the nuances so if you are someone who consumes a lot of
short form content I would urge you desperately to please make at least 30 to 60 Minutes every week I'm not even saying every day every week to watch One Piece of long form content that explains something that you may have seen in short form that's perfectly fine but um short form loses a lot of nuance because in short form you are optimizing for the first 5 seconds and and uh not all topics can be optimized for 5sec uh attention grabbing so yeah I would prefer to make long form but uh if we don't reach the audience through long form then yeah yeah so yeah the way I see it that the shots um are a funnel to
bring people to the long form video but we definitely enjoy creating and consuming long form more see I mean uh you know there are a lot of topics where I could literally talk for hours m multiple hours right but the problem uh is that that I can only do when we are back live are we back folks if you can hear us now maybe give us a thumbs up in the chat box uh it seems like we developed some internet trouble we back okay all right uh sorry for that Interruption it seems like uh we had some internet issues uh even after planning and prepping everything there has to be some technical glitch it's it's the it's the rule of the live
part of the internet I guess what Murphy's Law yeah n what is Murphy's Law please tell us oh God don't mess around with Mrs Murphy I mean actually Murphy's Law happened to Murphy's Law okay because Murphy's Law originally was that if there is a wrong way of using something someone somewhere in the world will find the wrong way of using it right which happened to Murphy's Law itself and now we have just simplified it to if things can go wrong they will but it's become a convenient excuse yeah okay he even managed to explain the depths of Murphy's Law which I honestly didn't know up to this point nice one yeah so going back I think that where we got
interrupted was the question about my thumb if you haven't seen it when I was 9 years old I was playing with there is this uh machine uh a hand operated machine called kbba cutter uh if anyone ofure right yeah so for taking fodder for cows and chopping it into little pieces and my brother and I were playing there which we shouldn't have been doing sorry I didn't know this question was going to be asked otherwise we could have kept like a nice photo of that that machine ready there on my Twitter if you search for okay find na on Twitter look for the thumb search for the thumb I think you'll find it I think that I I
learned about this first time on uh Twitter from kabra space thumb if you search yes uh yeah so we we kind of call him the opposite of Rik [Laughter] on so I mean usually I mean since we're talking about the thumb the question next question most people ask is then how do you uh write right so I tried huh writing with my left hand and then just it was all coming Mirror Image so I just learned to write with my fingers like this so this is how I write he can write yeah confirmed of course he can PhD he is a PhD but anyway how do you as in if you're talking about the future IQ episode um
is your ideal audience someone in India or are you looking at a global audience ah okay uh me I would like to go to the global audience and I would like to have the global audience watch us but I do understand that our Indian accents make it very difficult for them to follow for a long period of time but uh honestly guys we are eventually going to have like a combined accent from across the world given all of the globalization that happening so get get started get used to different kinds of accents and uh we'll also eventually have an accent that is global but uh yeah I would I would very much prefer if we had a global audience uh we
seem to have a majority Indian audience at the moment yeah fair enough yeah that that would be true but um I do think a lot of nris also follow the channel but it's still India India as Indians uh and uh so a lot of Indi related content on the channel seems to uh be appreciated a lot by people yeah appreciated in quotes and double quotes but yeah we tend to not focus on a specific audience per se uh our audience is anybody who is curious our audience is anybody who is looking for that huh moment and that that could be honestly anybody around you as well not just you but anybody around you which is why we want you to
actually give us the word of mouse that is necessary to grow this channel so yeah I mean you're right that I mean in ideal audience is everybody I mean I've had people tell me that you know I showed your uh video to my son and I have people telling me that oh my dad uh watches it right so it's like 8 to 80 yeah it reminds me of this uh wonderful comic by Rand Munro uh Randall Munro who runs xkcd.com about the beauty of the number 10,000 every single day 10,000 people are learning something new that you possibly know about and our audience is that 10,000 honestly yes sure sure so J is asking in chat if I can show your
handwriting on video but I have a better idea uh find me on Twitter I'm a an n k r anur on Twitter follow me drop me a tweet asking for the hand writing and N I was someone that was just okay I'll take a photo of this and I'll wait for your Tweet so hi Jam J I can write so yeah Na's handri the next question I will okay na is serious about this to show his handwriting he actually autographing an's book right now an will put it up on on pap you could do it on my you can do it on my book as well actually I don't mind the diary being autographed as
well but another question shant is are we planning to have guests on the show are we planning to have offline meetups what's the plan going forward boss what's happening uh guests yes offline meetups we'll defer to you because you will be able to tell us better when it would be a good time if it would be a good time but guests yes definitely collaborators yes uh there is a reason we haven't done it so far um n yes so see the thing guests is ideal right uh especially experts who can talk about the topics we are interested in uh in fact we do have some episodes lined up that we are looking for the right guest
so for example that the world is not designed for women right we want a uh women to be able to talk about that but the point is that at this point we want many women to talk about no no on the no yeah that's another but the problem is that even now we are still a fairly small Channel and you bring in a guest and then only a thousand people watch it it's not nice so we have to wait until we are bigger and another reason to wait until we are bigger is that then we will actually have budgets to like you know we need that yeah um so yeah that's one of the reasons why we haven't had guests
yet on the channel anur has been a guest on the channel a couple of times we've had a wonderful friend of ours called Rohit sastav who's spoken about uh security Security on the channel um and we have several other people in mind that we would like to either guest with or collaborate with in terms of episodes and we will get there eventually uh we just want to make sure that we respect their time and also the audien's time when we bring them on so yeah it's in the works right now if you want any specific person to come and guest with us please do drop it in the comments please do keep suggesting those names to
us we have social media we are n is very active I am relatively active anur is very active on social media yeah Twitter mainly um and if I can plug the episode on which I was a guest on uh future IQ was uh doomsday and doomsday planning it's a topic I think uh Fair bit about and I mean I've had people tell me that oh after watching that I went and I did this I did that from the episode wait a second guys we were supposed to talk about social media also uh today We have basically now uh social media handles for future IQ so that all questions and all comments and all suggestions can be
collected in one place we've created multiple handles on multiple platforms whatever platform you choose to be active on uh we will have social media handles on most of them so I know that we've created handles for Twitter for LinkedIn for Facebook and a couple of others I think we are also on Blue Sky so just look for future IQ and follow us on that handle we'll also put Instagram also yes my daughter has been pestering me for at least one year asking why we are not on Instagram oh she could have just told me Instagram it keeps coming up here and we'll also put up a graphic for you to follow and we'll try and put it in the
comments as well do follow us and keep sending us your thoughts there uh it's just a way to reach out to as many people as we can so that we can spread these ideas to as many people as we can perfect and with that I have another question from JoJo Sony uh which actually was asked um on I think on the community post announcing this event and also been asked by several people uh in chat uh what are some of your favorite books any book recommendations you want to go give um why don't you leave people with I mean you know one of my favorite books is the Mahabharata right it's a lovely lovely book uh I mean that the
book itself says right what is not here is not there anywhere else right so everything is there it's made drama emotion right so um and uh I mean not laughing at the book laughing at his his dramatization of the thing please no I mean what you you want to get interested in the extended Mahabharat Universe right there's like all kinds of interesting stuff there and other people have written fascinating things about Mahabharat so for example uh yugant by iaati K has one chapter per she's picked up one uh character and does a lovely analysis of it right like for example gandhari why did she tie her eyes and just like you know disconnect from everything if she had said you know what
this guy is useless let me take over we would have seen a very different situation right things like that um beautiful book by the way yeah there's a whole bunch of beautiful books right shivaji sa has written prun in marati from karna's point of view Palace of Illusions is written from drad's point of view and so on right so that's one the other one that I find myself recommending to people over and over and over again is uh Atomic habits yeah uh by James clear for uh helping you beat bad habits and pick up good habits so the thing about weights I said make it easy was from uh that atomics uh two other books that um uh I again find
myself recommending quite regularly to youngsters are uh related to career and jobs right so what color is my Parachute by Richard B I think or to I purchased that book I haven't read it yet but it basically gives you a whole lot of techniques on how to significantly improve your job search process and designing your life by a couple of guys from Stanford School of Design which will help you look at your life figure out what you're trying to do and then you know uh get there interesting but really the real answer to this question is that I wouldn't really recommend books right what I would recommend is reading the right blogs right like astral CeX 10 uh and so on
right in fact these blogs they have book summaries and book reviews which are so good that uh you know I have like five or six of them uh we'll put in the show notes we'll just put it in the show notes like by by tomorrow six book recommend I mean no six long book reviews yeah yeah sure sure we we'll get those book reviews uh in the description and given that you talked about designing your life and figure uh I have a size um a it's partly because how I am sitting second secondly I'm sure you're referring to me and not na he's a third person so thank God you are in the clear I'm in the clear yeah why
am I I'm perfectly fine yeah but when we are doing the 200th episode right when we're doing the 200 episode I will be at least 10 kgs lighter yes provided we have 200,000 subscribers by then okay so this by the way is called a commitment device now he'll be forced to be turn kg lighter and you will be forced to subscribe and keep subscribing and getting your friends to subscribe yeah absolutely okay any funny behind the scenes or BTS stories that you remember the one I can remember is a point where um you know the thing happens where you just can't pronounce a word and it's not even like a difficult word it's just you
just can't bring yourself to have the right pronunciation and uh you fumble on it again and again and again doing multiple retakes when you're shooting and um naen had that in one of the episodes so I finally gave him uh naen try this put your tongue between your teeth and speak like this for about 20 seconds and it will work actually did that for 20 seconds and those 20 seconds were the funniest 20 seconds of my life I have never laughed as hard oh God do we have a recording of that we do have a recording of that it's not going out okay it's never coming out I didn't laugh while he was doing it I went home and laughed
after look it is actually a technique to clear your speech uh that tongue movement actually helps your muscle forget the previous memory and uh cleans the Slate for it to have a new memory of sorts so it it does work so anytime you are fumbling over a word try speaking with a with a thick tongue and it'll help you clear your speech so Saga had a lot of one of our viewers s had a lot of comment uh questions in um the community post can hear some what 12 or 20 comments any of those questions which you want to pick up oh I forgotten the question I'm going to answer all of them on that post but uh you know I thought
you were going to pick who's tracking those questions I I had them almost had them here with me but um sure one of them okay let's take one of them right let's take one of them okay I the most ridiculous one I mean not ridicul good question but like you know the least heavy one it seems to be right do you floss how big is your team honestly there could be apart from n Andrian there would be probably five people actively working on um future IQ but probably more than uh um a dozen people have worked on future IQ we probably have a nam slate of everyone who has worked on future IQ which will show uh
which will roll at the end of the show so that's a question I have answered mean while he looks for other questions n do you floss do you floss Sagar asked right uh and there's a surprising and interesting answer to that right in the US right dentists have been saying forever every day you should floss daily you should floss daily you should floss daily to the point where people are afraid of going to their dentist because the dentist question and then they have to say no because you know it's like who has the discipline to do that turns out that about three or four years ago new research came out and said all that is
[ __ ] you don't need to floss you don't need to floss not daily not just generally like that right so if you do have things stuck in your teeth or if there's like a specific reason why you should be flossing then you should floss otherwise it is not I am going to have words with my dentist about this yes my my is righty because I have a lot of problems with my teeth but anyway if you were to switch roles what would you Enlighten naen about there isn't much I can Enlighten naen about but if it is something to do with audio with probably media with some bit of Storytelling or stuff like that then probably naen and I
would have a very good conversation about it how to use Reddit well that is something Fair me Teach You Reddit yeah of course I I actually stopped even lurking on Reddit after the recent they and what but yeah redit was a really good source of finding interesting tidbits of knowledge that you didn't have especially the smaller communities on Reddit there are some absolutely wonderful people there who contribute so much knowledge that it's it's amazing how much knowledge there is in the world oh ask historians is so brilliant beautiful absolutely eli5 ask historians are some of the most amazing Community shout out to them shout out to the people who contribute there regularly I'll take one more question
from from Saga why isn't infant ear uh ear piercing a form of child abuse oh um I'm going to escape from this and say no comments okay I would say that one I've not heard of any children complaining that why did you do this do this when I was uh okay kid okay okay on the other hand yeah I know children who are like unhappy that you didn't do it when I was small and now I have to do it at this point and it's going to pain and all of that and third is that you know ultimately it's just it gets over in a couple of minutes right Children Cry longer than that for a
whole lot of things a lot of things lot of things yeah I okay I said no comment okay great um I have no c as well though I'm I I'll be terrified petrified whatever if you ask me I did have my years pierced as a kid uh I don't have any strong opinions no coms no coms from no coms okay uh what is the one point you would want to leave the audience with today so for me I think I mean the frankly the one point I want to leave the audience with is that the most common response comment that I have gotten from viewers of this channel is why isn't this more popular right uh
and like anur said there's a whole bunch of techniques that we are not using because we don't do that uh so you guys we want you to be our ambassadors we want you to do the liking and the forwarding uh that will help would seriously help uh me I I I I wish I could basically beam this into people's heads that future IQ is not just two friends talking about fascinating Concepts I want people to think and understand that this is actually a self-help Channel this is actually a channel where you learn adulting in ways that you haven't thought of before uh it is a channel where uh you learn to deal with various situations in your life
while the conversations are structured in a way where it is slightly light-hearted slightly fun the intent of each conversation each episode is is to leave you with either a mental model or a framework or at least A New Perspective into things and so that you can take that perspective and apply it in your life that's that's essentially uh what I want you guys to have and we will keep doing this it's uh every time one of you says I love this so much I doing this in my daily life it fills my heart with joy and I know that sounds very poetic and dramatic but it literally fills my heart with joy it my heart feels three sizes bigger not that
I'm the Grinch but it does feel three sizes bigger uh it will improve your life it did mine so I'm speaking out of experience I mean just to add uh if you are doing those things for each one of those things apply a dose of on top awesome yes awesome I think we we we end on that note yes thank you remember the second line Sorry what's the episode K I think I'm not sure it it is correct yeah we haven't been able to take up a lot of questions but uh the episodes would keep rolling um use the community section or the comment section of videos both naen and Shri Kant and us behind
the scenes look at them actively and then you can also find us on a lot of other social platforms now especially naen and shrikant both have uh you know in every show notes you will find their Twitter handles their social handles so yeah that helps some of the questions that you've submitted we'll probably end up incorporating them into the episodes that we make and when we do that we'll definitely give you a shout out so thank you so much for sending in those comments those questions they truly keep us going and I'm not saying this as a platitude it is an honest truth it keeps us going 100% it literally gives us ideas for new episodes new content so it
keeps us going yeah so yeah I mean basically I do want to end with a thank you to everybody who watches in general of course everyone who uh logged in today and has been asking questions and so on but more generally for everyone who watches the channel great guys do hit like see you next time like comment subscribe and share it with your friends [Music]